Curse

Winterclaw · Jun 24, 2009, 06:56 PM // 18:56

Maybe people want it to go because there's always so much complaining when it is late.

If you are complaining about something you get for free, maybe you shouldn't be getting it in the first place.

Minami · Jun 24, 2009, 07:08 PM // 19:08

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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

Wow...people want the XTH to go down permanently? Just because the Zaishen keys are supposed to be a reward for PVPers? Um...how about no? Not all of us bought this game to beat up other people in boring PVP maps or get beat up by other people who use Wiki builds. Some of us enjoy playing PVE and progressing through the storyline, so why shouldn't they also be rewarded for it? And while we're on it, Z keys aren't limited to PVP anyway because of the new Zaishen quests. Turn in coins and you get some more keys. And there's also that new Flame of Balthazar or something that gives you free Balthazar points, another way to get keys. The XTH is just an added way for PVErs to get what they earn.

And yes, people who use the XTH do earn their Zaishen keys unless they push the random button. If people take the time to think about their votes, they earn what they get. Pushing the random button is a lazy attempt at getting free in-game stuff.

In conclusion, I don't think the XTH should be shut down permanently. It's something that adds more to this already dying game snip. And about the keg farming, why must they insist on nerfing things people enjoy doing? At least it gives us something to do, because it gets so boring going through the entire storyline 20 times. Give us back our keg farm!

QFT. Agree with almost all you said.
I do play PvP, but not nearly enough to get a steady flow of zkeys like some of you who wants to see the XTH gone *snipped for politeness's sake*.

Anyways, XTH, we await your return ^_^
(*yours too, kegging*)

Gin Cometh · Jun 24, 2009, 07:18 PM // 19:18

I have been using XTH since 2006 & never missed a CHANCE to vote ,so thats 3 years of a game feature ,its not going anywhere, no matter what you FANBOIS say.

Still Number One · Jun 24, 2009, 07:23 PM // 19:23

disclaimer: I read up to about page 4 and felt the need to quote myself from page 3.

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Originally Posted by Still Number One

The whole conspiracy theory about anet shutting the XTH down is stupid. Stop it. Anet makes money from selling accounts. The XTH gives people an incentive to buy a new account. The XTH makes anet money. Taking it down permanently would be the dumbest idea they could ever have short of shutting down the servers.

Why on earth would shutting down the XTH permanently be a good thing? You can make up all the arguments you want, the fact of the matter is, they do not compare in the least bit to the argument of why it should be kept up. Guild Wars takes money to be run. It costs money to keep servers up, and pay employees to make sure the game runs properly. They make money from guild wars, when you buy your account or any new accounts after that. They don't make money from you farming. They don't make money from you making your guild, or farming zkeys in RA. They make money when you buy an account. The XTH is a way to make players want to buy multiple accounts. Therefore the XTH makes anet money.

Say this with me now, XTH = increase in account sales = more money for anet. Why is taking the XTH down permanently a good thing again? Oh because people aren't earning their money? It's a game, you're an idiot.

oscarmac · Jun 24, 2009, 07:25 PM // 19:25

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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

Wow...people want the XTH to go down permanently? Just because the Zaishen keys are supposed to be a reward for PVPers? Um...how about no? Not all of us bought this game to beat up other people in boring PVP maps or get beat up by other people who use Wiki builds. Some of us enjoy playing PVE and progressing through the storyline, so why shouldn't they also be rewarded for it? And while we're on it, Z keys aren't limited to PVP anyway because of the new Zaishen quests. Turn in coins and you get some more keys. And there's also that new Flame of Balthazar or something that gives you free Balthazar points, another way to get keys. The XTH is just an added way for PVErs to get what they earn.

And yes, people who use the XTH do earn their Zaishen keys unless they push the random button. If people take the time to think about their votes, they earn what they get. Pushing the random button is a lazy attempt at getting free in-game stuff.

In conclusion, I don't think the XTH should be shut down permanently. It's something that adds more to this already dying game (since the last few updates have been fail). And about the keg farming, why must they insist on nerfing things people enjoy doing? At least it gives us something to do, because it gets so boring going through the entire storyline 20 times. Give us back our keg farm!

The XTH is just an added way for PVErs to get what they earn?

Playing through the game, opening high-end chests, finishing dungeons. That's the way PvE players get what they earn. None of which PvP players can do. Zaishen keys are a source of income to PvP only players who do not have access, nor care to grind through, the PvE rewards.

Minami · Jun 24, 2009, 07:41 PM // 19:41

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Originally Posted by oscarmac

The XTH is just an added way for PVErs to get what they earn?

Playing through the game, opening high-end chests, finishing dungeons. That's the way PvE players get what they earn. None of which PvP players can do. Zaishen keys are a source of income to PvP only players who do not have access, nor care to grind through, the PvE rewards.

Enlighten me please, why would PvP only players need money so desperately?

oscarmac · Jun 24, 2009, 07:58 PM // 19:58

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Originally Posted by Minami Kaori

Enlighten me please, why would PvP only players need money so desperately?

Forming guilds, inviting members and guests, creating and changing capes, changing guild halls... I'm sure there are more.

Minami · Jun 24, 2009, 08:08 PM // 20:08

I thought the new zaishen bounties cover that stuff nowadays, especially all the coins you could get then exchange them for storage bags and sell them for tons of money in GtoB.

In any case, I like getting my zkeys and using them. Not having to grind in PvE to make money to be able to buy zkeys if I feel like opening the zchest is very good for me since I don't have a lot of money (40k tops at any one time usually), plus, I'm not a big fan of trading.

Also, predicting is fun. ^_^

Fanita · Jun 24, 2009, 08:36 PM // 20:36

I WANT MY POINTS! Seriously this is ridiculous. Stop saying don't complain about free money. It's like in Chevy Chase's Christmas Vacation movie, when his boss removes bonuses but Clark had been planning to use that bonus for a pool. I had plans for my money, now I will not get it and my plans are done. They should have resolved this issue earlier or at least informed us of the closing of XTH earlier.

slowerpoke · Jun 24, 2009, 08:48 PM // 20:48

PvP players can also vote in the XTH, and should actually make more RPs since they aren't random guessing

Symeon · Jun 24, 2009, 09:11 PM // 21:11

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

Actually, I'd be all for not seeing the XTH come back at all. It eliminates a chance for people to gain money for doing relatively nothing, prevents people from abusing the system through multiple accounts, and cuts back on needless crying about "why can't I get my points yet," or "what teams/people will win the tourney this month." Plus, it'll take time away from ANet's already busy schedule to fix this system and put it back into motion. I'd much rather know that time was spent on skill balances or bug fixes.

Completely agreed with this, but I can't see ANet removing it. They want people to buy more accounts.

Karate Jesus · Jun 24, 2009, 10:07 PM // 22:07

Did half of this page just get deleted?

upier · Jun 24, 2009, 10:12 PM // 22:12

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Originally Posted by oscarmac

The XTH is just an added way for PVErs to get what they earn?

Playing through the game, opening high-end chests, finishing dungeons. That's the way PvE players get what they earn. None of which PvP players can do. Zaishen keys are a source of income to PvP only players who do not have access, nor care to grind through, the PvE rewards.

If PvP-ers have access to PvE rewards without doing PvE, what's wrong with PvE-ers getting PvP rewards without doing PvP?
Especially in a PvE game.

Karate Jesus · Jun 24, 2009, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by upier

If PvP-ers have access to PvE rewards without doing PvE, what's wrong with PvE-ers getting PvP rewards without doing PvP?
Especially in a PvE game.

Ups, logic.

I don't know why people get so "PVP/PVE!" on this issue. Both sides get to have RPs and rewards, so what does it matter? Oh, and if you actually play pvp guess what? You get even more RPs! Congratulations! Now everyone stfu.

lilDeath · Jun 24, 2009, 10:24 PM // 22:24

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

The tournament is scheduled, but there will be no June voting. XTH is down for extended maintenance. We're working with the web team to get a notification message localized into multiple languages and up on the XTH website, so this should be up tomorrow.

Thanks for the update, Regina. I appreciate it.

I am all for the stance you have taken on this matter. I cannot be bothered about voting being closed / getting no keys.

Fixing the issues at hand is much more important to ensure the stability of the XTH system. For all "we" (you) know other systems are also affected and pretty soon more and more problems crop up.

Thanks again and good luck.

Hyperventilate · Jun 24, 2009, 10:24 PM // 22:24

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

Did half of this page just get deleted?

It wouldn't surprise me. A lot of people feel they need retribution for this error, a lot of people are telling them to stfu.

FengShuiDove · Jun 24, 2009, 10:35 PM // 22:35

It won't happen, but I'd rather have XTH shut down than have the hassle of endless complaints, failures, and debate every month. I enjoy the free keys as much as the next guy, but the last thing this community needs is one more thing to complain about, especially a justified complaint.

Ec]-[oMaN · Jun 24, 2009, 10:50 PM // 22:50

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Originally Posted by upier

If PvP-ers have access to PvE rewards without doing PvE, what's wrong with PvE-ers getting PvP rewards without doing PvP?
Especially in a PvE game.

They do?..........................They have access to skins sure but they are putting in way more amounts of effort/time to get RP's to get the skins. Thing is PvE'ers are getting PvP rewards for logging on a website and nothing more. The average GW player can obtain more RPs from the XTH than from the average GvG guild doing ATs to obtain 20 QP then placing 17th-32 spot.

SlamHelmut · Jun 24, 2009, 10:51 PM // 22:51

Thanks for the title nerf!!! 3k away on buying unid'd golds before I get my god title. Should give us survivor on chars that were never eligible for this title..... thanks again....

Krill · Jun 24, 2009, 10:52 PM // 22:52

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Originally Posted by oscarmac

Playing through the game, opening high-end chests, finishing dungeons. That's the way PvE players get what they earn. None of which PvP players can do. Zaishen keys are a source of income to PvP only players who do not have access, nor care to grind through, the PvE rewards.

Also RP's are the only access many of us have to rewards from Tolkano, even then to actually buy anything you really need to be doing AT's on a regular basis or finishing in the top 25% for mAT's. I hope when Anet gets the XTH sorted out they also implement a better system for acquiring and using RP's to buy PvE stuff from Tolkano for PvP characters.